44. Aging


Hello Listeners and thanks for tuning into this week’s installment of Of Course I’m Not OK! Today, Karen & Katie chat about aging. They discuss Katie’s recent 40th birthday – with all of it’s ups and, well, not so great moments – and talk about how aging is actually a wonderful thing that they both feel grateful for (well, most of the time). 

Have a good week!

43. Reunions & Caffeine Withdrawal


Welcome back, Listeners! We are so glad you’re here. In today’s episode, Karen & Katie chat about their recent reunions with family and how they feel about easing back into socializing. They then go deep into the emotional, social, physical, and societal implications of drinking caffeine and also quitting it. 

This episode is a ton of fun – hope you enjoy!


– Check out Ellen Forney’s graphic novel MARBLES here: http://marblesbyellenforney.com/about.php#.YMb2NzZKjfY

42. Living A Life Of Yes With Saya Hillman


Get ready for an epic episode! This week, Karen and Katie welcome Saya (pronounced Sigh-A) Hillman, a.k.a. ‘The Accessible Oprah,’ for a far-reaching and very real conversation about living what Saya calls ‘A Life Of Yes.’ As founder and CEO of Mac & Cheese Productions, a Chicago-based lifestyle business that creates events (and many other things) for its clients, Saya explains how getting fired in 2004 was one of the best things that could have happened to her.

Since then, she’s built a thriving business and is dedicated to living life on her terms. In today’s conversation, Saya suggests writing bulleted lists of what you want, what you don’t want, who you are, and what you want to become. And to keep writing and not to self-censor!

There are SO MANY nuggets of wisdom that you may want to listen a second time.

Enjoy and thanks for listening. We will be taking a break and will be back with regularly scheduled programming on Monday, June 14th.

Happy Summer!

Resources from today’s episode:

– Mac & Cheese Productions: https://macncheeseproductions.com/

– Saya’s blog post about her Selfish Sabbatical: https://macncheeseproductions.com/im-on-a-selfish-sabbatical/

– Saya’s blog post about the end of her sabbatical: https://macncheeseproductions.com/selfishsabbaticalreturn/

– Saya’s TedX talk: How To Design A Life Of Yes! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kH_JSucEZMk

– Saya’s blog post ‘How Do You Think I Make Money?’ https://macncheeseproductions.com/how-do-you-think-i-make-money/

41. MINI POD: Daydreaming As A Manifestation Tool


Welcome to our first MINI POD, Listeners! In today’s 15-minute episode, Karen & Katie chat about how daydreaming is a form of manifestation. They encourage everyone to be open to the energy of dreaming as a self-care practice, and to welcome any ideas and feelings that come up. 

Enjoy & thank you for listening!


– Check out Anna Peterson’s art at Amejko Artistry: https://www.amejkoartistry.com/

– You can find Anna on IG, too: https://www.instagram.com/amejkoartistry/?hl=en

40. Emotional Pie Charts, Vacation Anxiety, & Reopening Feels


Happy Mid-May, Listeners! in today’s episode, Karen & Katie chat about a variety of topics, starting with their new practice of texting pie charts of their emotions to each other. The pair highly recommends others do the same (listeners, send us your pie charts!), and talk about the mental health benefits of the exercise. They then talk a bit about the anxiety they feel about going on vacation right now, and some worried feelings around cities reopening. 

Thanks for listening – enjoy!

39. Languishing


Welcome to today’s episode on languishing, inspired by the viral piece by psychologist Adam Grant in The New York Times! 

Karen & Katie GET INTO IT when talking about the concept of languishing, which Grant refers to as the “neglected middle child of mental health” – basically the feeling that isn’t exactly depression but isn’t, as he says, “flourishing,” either. The pair discuss how common this feeling (often referred to just as “blah” or “I don’t want to do anything today” or “I’d rather stay in my PJs and watch Outlander on a loop while eating Cheetos” or “I’d rather get a root canal than look at my Slack messages for a single minute”). 

If you can relate, this episode is for you. 

Karen & Katie also talk about how they are “flow partners” (a concept that really helps them battle feelings associated with languishing). They lament the number of tabs they have open on their browsers at once, and talk, in-depth, about the concept of choice and how many long-term relationships are seen like Supreme Court appointments (MIC DROP RIGHT THERE). 

Thank you for listening – we appreciate each and every one of you. 

Resources from today’s episode: 

– Adam Grant’s piece on languishing: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/04/19/well/mind/covid-mental-health-languishing.html

– Our Body Love episode with Dr. Renee Englen: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/30-body-love-masterclass-with-dr-renee-englen/id1525373186?i=1000511123694

– Dr. Tania Israel’s podcast Prajna Sparks: https://www.prajnafire.com/sparks

– Ann Friedman’s weekly newsletter: https://www.annfriedman.com/weekly

– The podcast Call Your Girlfriend: https://www.callyourgirlfriend.com/

38. Erotica & Creativity with Rachel Kramer Bussel


What a treat! In today’s episode, Karen & Katie welcome the amazing Rachel Kramer Bussel, a wildly creative and kind person who is also the editor of the long-running Best Women’s Erotica Of The Year anthologies. The trio cover a TON of topics, including erotica, if Rachel ever gets sick of writing/editing sex topics(!!), talking dogs, jigsaw puzzles, mental health, YouTube stars, and upcoming books we don’t want to miss. 

Thanks for listening – enjoy!

Resources from today’s episode: 

– Rachel Kramer Bussel’s website: https://rachelkramerbussel.com/

– Rachel’s Twitter: https://twitter.com/raquelita?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

– Rachel’s IG: https://www.instagram.com/rachelkramerbussel/

– Best Women’s Erotica IG: https://www.instagram.com/bestwomenserotica/

– Feminist Erotica Podcast: https://rebelliousmagazine.com/category/podcasts-2/feministerotica/

– Feminist Erotica Podcast IG: https://www.instagram.com/feministeroticapodcast/?hl=en

– Rachel on the Feminist Erotica Podcast: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/interview-rachel-kramer-bussel-on-creating-feminist/id1529483951?i=1000489313331

– “Quickie” on Feminist Erotica of Rachel’s writing: https://rebelliousmagazine.com/feminist-erotica-ep-1-3-quickie-flying-solo-by-rachel-kramer-bussel/

– Call Your Mother sitcom: https://abc.com/shows/call-your-mother

– Kopp Sisters Book Series (WWI women): https://www.amystewart.com/books/kopp-sisters-series/

– The Personal Librarian (coming out June 29, 2021): https://www.amazon.com/Personal-Librarian-Marie-Benedict/dp/0593101537/ref=asc_df_0593101537/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=465161142177&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=2555515975792920087&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=9033152&hvtargid=pla-968425134845&psc=1

– How Stella Learned to Talk: https://www.hungerforwords.com/book/

– Mark Rober (YouTuber – glitter bombs): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCY1kMZp36IQSyNx_9h4mpCg

– Mark Rober’s IG: https://www.instagram.com/markrober/

– Karen Puzzles (YouTube account of a woman that does tons of jigsaw puzzles): https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC2umy62ojMfxzzHkVcgEUUA

37. Coming in HOT for Season 4


Welcome to this week’s therapy session with Karen & Kate! It is also the first episode of Season 4 – woot woot! On today’s show, the duo talk about how they are feeling about the newest vaccine news, what the ethics are around talking to your employer about the vaccine, and then go deep into a therapy session. Topics covered in the session include how to stay in your lane and not involve yourself (or get triggered by) someone else’s drama and asking the universe what THE DEAL IS this week. 

Enjoy & thanks for listening!

Resources from today’s episode: 

– Check out Deep Concentration meditations on the Calm App: https://app.www.calm.com/program/Zm54l8oBq4/deep-concentration

– Take a second to watch Calm’s Tamara Levitt (one of our dream guests) on The Ellen Show: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77rXWx5arzM

36. Radical Imagination For The Aftertimes


Happy Vaccination Week! In today’s episode, Karen & Katie chat about how they both got their vaccines this week, their feelings around going back into social situations (from two-person coffee dates to 500-person weddings), and both agree that the so-called ‘aftertimes’ are going to be filled with awkwardness. 

How can any convo go beyond the 60-min Zoom limit? 

How do we end dinner parties without ‘leave meeting’ buttons? 

The pair then seamlessly segues into a conversation around RADICAL IMAGINATION. What is the most true and beautiful (to borrow a phrase from the great Glennon Doyle) version we can see for our lives in a post-COVID world? Karen & Katie let their imaginations run wild. What ensues is a real-time strategy & manifestation session for the ages, complete with a podcast empire, private jets, and champagne slides at the office. 

Thanks for listening – enjoy!

Resources from today’s episode: 

– Scalawag Magazine: https://scalawagmagazine.org/

– CheapOldHouses Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/cheapoldhouses/?hl=en

35. Pop Culture Brain Candy (with Brianna Wellen)


Today’s episode is SO MUCH FUN! Karen & Katie decide to add a little alcohol to the mix as they welcome Brianna Wellen, Chicago Reader’s culture editor (and all around fabulous human), to talk about the best escapism TV shows and movies right now. OMG the list is incredible (see below for links to everything talked about). 

The trio covers topics far beyond pop culture, and get deep into a therapy chat and even rattle off some of their hall-pass celebs. 

Resources from today’s episode: 

– Follow Brianna on Twitter: https://twitter.com/briannawellen?lang=en

– Follow Brianna’s cats on IG: https://www.instagram.com/breezamarie/?hl=en

– Check out Chicago Reader! https://www.chicagoreader.com/

– The Real Housewives of Atlanta: https://www.bravotv.com/the-real-housewives-of-atlanta

– That’s Messed Up: An SVU Podcast: https://www.exactlyrightmedia.com/thats-messed-up

– Meshell Ndegeocello’s Twitter (one of Karen’s hall passes) – https://twitter.com/OfficialMeshell?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor

– TikTok (yes, it’s an app!) https://www.tiktok.com/?is_copy_url=1&is_from_webapp=v3&item_id=6946525860967107845#/@thep00lguy/video/6946525860967107845

– Little Shop of Horrors: https://www.netflixmovies.com/little-shop-of-horrors-1986

– Palm Springs on Hulu: https://www.hulu.com/movie/palm-springs-f70dfd4d-dbfb-46b8-abb3-136c841bba11

– Awkwafina is Nora From Queens: https://www.cc.com/shows/awkwafina-is-nora-from-queens

– Detroiters: https://www.cc.com/shows/detroiters

– I Think You Should Leave: https://www.netflix.com/title/80986854

– Work In Progress: https://www.sho.com/work-in-progress

– Shrill (on Hulu) https://www.hulu.com/series/shrill-54eab813-3a9b-496d-9d7e-908597ad8d1a

– Sex Education: https://www.netflix.com/title/80197526

– The Prom (on Netflix) https://www.netflix.com/title/81079914

– Never Have I Ever: https://www.netflix.com/title/80179190

– Moxie! https://www.netflix.com/title/81078393